Opinions, Not For The Easily Offended *Updated

I swear it seems like the interwebz has been in an uproar a bit too often as of late. I think it must be the lack of new games coming out right now (FIX IT YOU GAME DEVS). Anyway, todays drama is about an article posted on CNN by Joe Peacock called Booth Babes Need Not Apply. His post is basically about fake geek girls who attend conventions for attention and how it is hurting the community as a whole. I personally really liked his article and except for one or two sentences, found it to match my feelings perfectly. I highly recommend reading it so that you’ll understand the rest of this post. Now I will try to be as elaborate as possible about my feelings toward this topic, cause I’ve seen what it can do to you if you aren’t.

When I saw Joe’s article come up in my Twitter feed, I decided to give it look-see, and I was pleasantly surprised when I did. His post reminded me of the one I posted a few months back about fake gamer girls. Sure mine was about gamer girls and his is about geeky girls, but the basic idea is the same, we hate fakers. Well it seems a bunch of people got super offended by his post,

I honestly have no idea why since the points he was trying to make all made sense to me. The part I find truly entertaining is that people always say “Everyone is entitled to their opinion” and then when someone does vocalize their opinion people flip out and treat it like a fact of life that they need to prove wrong. I admit to being guilty of this from time to time, but I’d like to think I’ve gotten better about that.

How dare you have an opinion that is different from mine?!

But I digress, one of the biggest groups offended by this was the Frag Dolls, [or at least few people got offended on behalf of the Frag Dolls]. In case you are unfamiliar with them, they are a professional team of female gamers that promote games for Ubisoft and are meant to represent and support female gamers in the industry. Now I want to take a moment to make something very clear: I really like the Frag Dolls and appreciate what they do and stand for in the gaming community. Once more: I like and respect the Frag Dolls. Ok, now that I think you get it I’ll continue. I can see why the Frag Dolls were upset since Joe called them out and said they were basically just a marketing gimmick.

“But then, you have these models-cum-geeks like Olivia Munn and practically every FragDoll. These chicks? Not geeks. I think that their rise is due to the fact that corporations are figuring out that geeks have money, and they want it. But they can’t abide putting a typically geeky face on camera, so they hire models to act quirky and sell this marketable geekdom.” – Joe Peacock

So I can see why they would be upset, [even of the ones who I am talking about in this article, aren’t with the Frag Dolls]. Sure they are pretty girls and have quirky attitudes, but they at least know what they are doing. They know about gaming and geekery. They aren’t just some superficial girls looking to exploit the gaming community and posing nude with their consoles and controllers. If someone comes up to their booth, they will be able to do more than just stand there and go “Um… I’m not sure what this game is about, ask that guy over there” No, they will probably be able to explain better than that guy over there.

So THATS what you do with consoles, controllers, and games… and to think I’ve been using them wrong this whole time.

So they asked Joe for an interview and said they wanted to give him a chance to explain himself and his post a little better. And in good form, Joe agreed. (I have marked this out because I was informed that they [the Frag Dolls] did not set up the interview. So now I am not sure what the ladies who initiated the whole Skype conversation are actually associated with but there was a Skype conversation between Joe, LethalxPrincess, MrsViolence, and a couple of guests). But when I tuned in it just felt like all the wanted to do was bash Joe and make him back pedal his entire post. This group seemed to be harping on about how he shouldn’t generalize women like that, but I feel like the main reason he was there was merely for his statement against the Frag Dolls, [and even though they aren’t apart of the Frag Dolls, they must have taken it personally]. Had he left their name out of the article, he would have been left alone. I feel like that goes back to my recent Day vs Perez post about how things get blown out of proportion when you are more famous vs being some random person that no one has really heard of.

Joe tried to stick to his guns, but they were coming at him from all sides with as many as six people going against him on their Skype call. There were a few people in the chat trying to stick up for Joe, but some of them were swiftly silenced. Yes it is wrong to generalize, but we all do it, don’t try to lie. Joe even put a couple of paragraphs in the beginning of the article explaining that the main theme of his post was targeting the girls who show up to conventions to feel like they are Gods gift to male geeks everywhere. I’ve seen them, they think if they dress up in an Avengers t-shirt and say they loved the Iron Man movies that all the boys will be “oh my gawd, she’s hot and knows her stuff! I must date her!” Sorry fakers, it doesn’t always work that way, TV can be misleading. These attention seeking fakers do hurt the community, they insult the men by thinking that they are doing them some favor by showing up dressed as Wonder Woman and trying to get attention from guys they would never date. And they make real geeky girls look bad because after seeing so many fakers, the real geeks have to prove themselves to be more than just a pretty girl. We already have an uphill climb, we don’t need any help.

Yup, that about sums it up. *facepalm*

Now right now I can’t remember if he actually mentioned booth babes in his article and changed it after everything went crazy, or if it was just them all jumping on Joe about his title having booth babe in it… either way that was another topic that was beat like a dead horse in this interview. Claiming that Joe was dissing all booth babes to be ditzy eye candy, when most of them are just doing it to make money to pay their bills, booth babes see a gig and they go for it. You can’t blame a booth babe for not knowing what she’s selling, money is money and sex sells. It’s really the industry’s fault that booth babes are usually just models that have no idea what is going on at a convention. [Some people] got very crazy about this because the Frag Dolls can sometimes be considered booth babes, but if Joe did mention them, it was just a generalization. Generalizations aren’t meant to be completely accurate, but are usually the majority. So just because one small group of girls is sometimes considered booth babes and they actually know about gaming, we are supposed to now generalize that all booth babes know about games? I think not. So it’s a bit of double standard.

At one point Joe stated that there were many female gamers and geeks that emailed him and told him they applauded him for posting such a topic and that they agreed completely, right after that MrsViolence decides to say that those that agreed with Joe must not know who the Frag Dolls are and therefore don’t know anything about being a gamer or geek and that their opinions are invalid. Wow. So you give Joe a hard time about generalizations and then you make one that is even worse? I know who the Frag Dolls are, and have for a while, and yet I still agreed with Joe and I would like to think that I do know my industry of gaming and geekery pretty well. So if we want to talk about people getting offended by generalizations, then I was pretty offended by that statement there.

While jumping on Joe they also asked him what the point and intentions of his post was, to me it was obvious, it was to get his opinion out there and maybe get some people to go “Wow, he makes a good point” Nothing more, nothing less. That’s what blogging is about right? Putting your opinion out there and just relating to people. However, they wanted him to have a solution instead of just complaining. Sure that’s all fine and dandy, but we all already know what the solution to this is: get the industry to either educate their booth babes a little better about their product or hire actual geeks and gamers to be booth babes. I would gladly stand by a booth all day, and I’m sure so would many other ladies who know their way around a controller or comic book.

Except this, I don’t want to be an giant security tag for a 3Ds. C’mon Nintendo, really?! Oh well, at least the belt is fashionable… right…?

Near the end of the interview, they actually brought Ryan Perez, yes I said Ryan Perez, in to give his two cents. Joe actually mentions the Felicia Day and Ryan Perez incident, where he says Ryan did something very stupid and is a shoddy journalist for not doing his research before calling out Felicia. Oh, the irony, so very amusing. It became more civil around this time and they backed off Joe a little bit. That was pretty much it, Joe said he will be issuing out another article tomorrow that will address and please the offended. LethalxPrincess, MrsViolence, and guests thanked him for coming on, and then we all went about our business as usual. Just like with any other internet drama. Honestly, this whole “I’m a woman and you have offended me by (insert random reason here)” is getting old. I’m getting tired of people making exceptions and changing the rules to appease the easily offended women, but that is a post for another day. Let’s all just toughen up that internet skin and let the opinions of others roll off our backs and just continue to be us without worrying what others will say.

*NOTE: I have been informed, by Valkyrie from the Frag Dolls, that the Frag Dolls did not organize this and only tuned in to see it when they saw it on a tweet. I’m not sure what to classify MrsViolence and LethalxPrincess as now since they kept referring to themselves as Frag Dolls during the whole Skype conversation, or at least that is what it sounded like to me. It could have been a misunderstanding with everyone talking over each other. So my apologies to the Frag Dolls for thinking they were with you.

20 thoughts on “Opinions, Not For The Easily Offended *Updated

  1. I read the article too and largely agreed with his points. I can’t claim to know much about the FragDolls, so can’t really speak to that. But the whole thing reminded me of Aisha Tyler – she presented at E3 and was just all around awesome, really. But then she got called out, that she wasn’t a real gamer – basically forcing her to “prove” herself, which is one of the reasons I can’t stand the fakers and in general the whole “girl gamer” idea. I’m not a “girl gamer”, I’m a *gamer*, you know? It’s the attention-seeking behavior from some that just gets old, real fast.

  2. I was there last night and there are three reasons why he was getting “attacked.”

    One was the Frag Doll comment. For a guy who said he’s known about them since 2005 to put them as just pretty faces that were hired is completely ignorant. The Frag Dolls have been around for several years showing that women can hang with the men in gaming, and being true ambassadors for the medium. Now he did apologize, I give him credit for that.

    Second, which stems from the first, is that his main reason for not giving the Frag Dolls any “geek cred” was that he views any person that’s good at a game to not be a geek. That’s a complete elitist attitude and completely discriminates a group of people for no reason. His constant focus on “well frat boys play Halo and I don’t call them geeks” screams of this attitude of everyone is a poser except for those people exactly like me. Once again, he apologized so good on him.

    Finally, there are booth babes that are at the event because they know the product. Not all of them, but LethalXPrincess from the stream was one of them. Her and others are trying to be more than pretty faces. So they took offense with the sweeping generalization made by Joe about booth babes. Again, he apologized.

    What I find repugnant though is how many people have been so quick to agree with him but fail to realize that he did EXACTLY what Ryan Perez did to Felicia Day. He made comments out of complete ignorance, bashing women because they have a pretty face at a geek event where apparently they shouldn’t be, yet so many people are cheering him on, singing his praises, regardless of what undeserving women he bashed.

    • I guess I just didn’t see where he was bashing all pretty faces. What I took from the article was that he was bashing pretty posers. He said he knows there are pretty girls there and he said he likes them being there, if they are there for the right reasons.

      I must have missed the Halo and frat boys comment in all of the talking over each other chatter. But I guess I’m a horrible person because to me if all they play is Halo, then I don’t see them as a geek either. Ultimately it comes down to the definition of a geek, and I include gamers to be in that. But my definition of gamer is someone who plays all types of games. Not just one game 24/7. It’s all just opinions and people getting too offended by them.

  3. Thanks for the article on this disaster. I’m one of the geek chicks that really agreed with what Joe posted, so I was kind of confused by all the rage. I also popped in for the chat and attempted to defend him, but all that hate was giving me a headache. Although it amazed me that people completely disregarded everything I said, including when I quoted the article Joe wrote, and I was told that I was reading it wrong.

    • I had that problem too. I tuned in and tried to defend him a little, but all I got was people saying I was missing the big picture. To me the whole thing was just am angry meeting because he was dumb enough to insult the Frag Dolls. It’s good to see I’m not the only one who felt Joe was right on in his post.

      • The interesting thing? I am willing to bet money that not a single person that Joe was complaining about has any idea about what is going on, and every single person willing to skin the man alive are the ones he wasn’t referring to.

      • Couldn’t have said it any better myself. He refers to the fakers and since they are fake, they aren’t looking into this type of news. All the real geeks have seen it and are pissed for no reason since he wasn’t targeting them. Oh the Internet, always needing something to lash out at.

  4. I couldn’t agree with you more. I was getting really annoyed last night with MrsViolence’s constant hypocrisy and look of utter disdain on her face the whole time. She even has a video posted on youtube where she bashes Booth Babes herself. Hypocrite much? It was obvious from the start that she was there to moderate a lynching and not a discussion. It also seemed like LxP had her boyfriends there to “defend her honor” and play the attack dog and he was a complete jerk. (They later admitted after Joe left that Nexy was indeed being argumentative to try and break through Joe’s “defenses” and get him to react and speak his mind when not behind his “wall”) Joe did a great job keeping his cool and letting them vent their anger at him and he handled it like the pro he is. He answered their questions but nothing he could have said would have made them happy. Like you said, they were there to bash him for having an opinion that wasn’t theirs.

    • If I could “Like” your comment, I would. Lol.

      I saw that video from MrsViolence about the booth babes and I couldn’t believe how she acted in it. I mean it’s seriously not the booth babes fault that don’t know gaming, but to act like she’s better than them because of it is just wrong. I would have known those answers yes, but if you asked me about something I don’t care much for, like cars, then no I wouldn’t know “such easy questions” it was just shocking and insane.

      Definitely had some hypocrisy. The worst, to me, was still where she said that if we didn’t know the Frag Dolls then our opinions didn’t count. There’s a lot of legitimate gamers out there that don’t know them. Doesn’t mean they are any less of a gamer for it.

  5. Just wanted to say that your article seems to read (maybe I am misreading it?) that the Frag Dolls asked and held the interview with Joe. We had nothing to do with the organization of it or production of it, in fact we didn’t know it was happening until we saw a tweet go out about it. Thanks!

    • Oh you didn’t organize it? My apologies. I’ll change it. It was my understanding that y’all had invited him to it. I saw it on twitter that you guys were setting it up. Maybe I read the tweet wrong. Again, my apologies and I’ll adjust it.

    • Again, I am sorry. Do you happen to know who LethalxPrincess and MrsViolence is? They seemed to refer to themselves as Frag Dolls and that’s why I was confused. Thank you again for reading it, and I apologize for any issues this may have caused y’all. I really do respect the Frag Dolls. ❤

  6. Mrs Violence I know from the pro gaming scene and she was on WCG Ultimate Gamer reality show that I was also on. I didn’t really know who Lethal Princess was before that stream =P

  7. and there are no issues about it, so don’t worry! I just wanted to make sure it was clear that it wasn’t us that put that together, but I did tune in when I heard about it and was in the chat room ❤

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